As a vegan myself I'm shocked at how other vegans can stand up for this nonsense. Most become vegan for animals, but not only is gender ideology/modern day trans rights misogynistic, homophobic and anti-child, it is also massively anti-animal.
I am too. TRA activism is complete nonsense. But then so too is the covid vaccine, in fact it's even more malicious, and so rarely do the circles around that and the left, veganism, animal rights and women's rights get to overlap. The left in 2023 is a joke, pro-corporate, anti-women (not just misogynistic but active with it), homophobic & intolerant.
I don't think I ever "peaked" in the way that it's understood now. Working intensely with women having babies for over 40 years now, I've never doubted that we are binarily sexed species and that only one of the sexes (females) can do the major reproductive labour needed to produce new humans. For those who choose to believe otherwise, perhaps a visit to any fertility clinic or animal breeder in the world might prove educational. I assure you that these businesses are only using one combination of gametes to produce their products; there is no 'mix and match' option available. Pretending something is "real" doesn't make it so.
That's what I don't understand about women who've worked in women's health sectors, or still do - how can some of them buy into the gender ideology BS when they work with evidence to contrary every day?!
Well done Katrina. Like you this issue revived my somewhat dormant feminism, and actually opened my eyes wide to how misogyny never dies...... and never sleeps.
Men who advocate for men who say they’re women to be allowed to override women’s rights and wellbeing, are vicariously advocating that for themselves, should they desire it.
It's amazing how the word "bigot" has become so powerful. Back in 2019/10 Gordon Brown, then leader of the UK Labour Party and Prime Minister was overheard calling a woman he had just had a bruising exchange with about immigrants, a bigot, and he was criticised roundly by everyone. (He hadn't switched his microphone off after getting back in his car). And now it's used by TRAs and their allies with no criticism at all.
They have rendered the word virtually meaningless. However, when I really stopped to analyse the situation, it dawned on me that a great deal of what TRA's spend so much time screeching at the rest of us is in fact a projection of their own mindset. It is they who are bigoted - against anyone who refuses to get into lockstep with their entire agenda (or at least those who refuse to pretend). I have seldom encountered a group of people as intolerant and disrespectful.
You are absolutely right. Definition of a bigot: "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group." They are name-calling and figuratively pointing a finger at another person, which means they have three fingers pointing back at themselves.
Excellent commentary. Unless men stand shoulder to shoulder with us, I have nothing but scorn for them.inlike to hit them with the old #rhefergusonchallenge. You f' one then.
i never peaked either. it's just such a pile of bullshit that i was automatically offended. i am aware most people i know are uninterested but that's how they are about about most things so i take that for granted. i have never needed people around me to think like me no matter how much i care about them. my feelings are my own. and i am beyond words about it. blown away actually. blown away. but still here!
Some people are independent thinkers and always have been. I have been swayed by others in the past, I admit, but on this I just get stronger as time goes by.
I love your sister's advice to you! It made me think about the fear that can surround speaking out and standing up for what we believe in. I recognise a lot of people have paid a heavy price when they have spoken out but a lot also say that, ultimately, it was good that it happened because it frees you to be "you".
I work in UK healthcare which is incredibly captured by gender ideology so I don't feel safe to speak out there but I'm hoping I can help in other ways and I've just joined my local Women's Rights Network.
Our public service institutions are also captured here, and I think that there are many in them, too, who don't go along with gender ideology, but have to stay quiet. There's always something you can do to push back against it, however small, as you are doing. As the saying goes - where there's a will, there's a way.
As a vegan (more or less) I'm getting sick of vegan 2023 version. Is there any nutrition in these copies of meat products? What's wrong with tempeh, seitan or tofu? Also far more chance that the till won't take any cash (we only take card the supercilious 22yo will tell you) than with your Indian down the road.
I would hazard a guess that convenience may account for a big part of using mock meats. Cooking takes time, both the prep (including shopping for the food) and the cleaning up afterwards the meal - and all after already working 8 hours, with travel time on top of that. Plus, unless we’ve been brought up as a vegan, there’s a whole new way to learn how to cook and make meals. For some people that will be an adventure, for others it will be a chore. I myself only use mock meats occasionally, and whilst I don’t condone regular use, I can understand it.
I wanted to get to the Netherlands but didn't manage to make it as Australian business needed attention. I also managed to luck out with the Cathay Pacific giveaway a few weeks ago so more traveling to come.
I figure the fake meats I've been exposed to might be responsible for my cold as it's all about texture and nothing about nutrition. The cold is the worst I've had for 10 years or more and I lost my voice for 2/3 days. You don't see tofu, seitan or tempeh burgers anymore it's all pretend chicken or that bill gates invested fake meat. Same at the Chinese vegie places around the world.
I am unfamilar with this new use of the word “peaked”, in your title, and in comments below. Commenters are obviously familiar with it, so I have clearly missed something. I have thought about it for quite a while, but am still mystified. Can someone please explain?
The word ‘peaked’ is used when we have been aware of, and followed, the issues about trans ideology for a while, without fully committing to opposing it. Then something happens, and it’s like a lightbulb moment, or something inexcusable, and then we’re fully committed to opposing it. We refer to that moment as when we ‘peaked’.
I'm sure it can be, and is, used in other regards, but using it in connection with trans ideology is the most common current usage for it in my awareness just now.
The infection is rampant! There are still some un-woke vegans around, but they don't participate in groups anymore, as the groups now have woke contingents who come after any gender heretics like rabid dogs.
As a vegan myself I'm shocked at how other vegans can stand up for this nonsense. Most become vegan for animals, but not only is gender ideology/modern day trans rights misogynistic, homophobic and anti-child, it is also massively anti-animal.
I am too. TRA activism is complete nonsense. But then so too is the covid vaccine, in fact it's even more malicious, and so rarely do the circles around that and the left, veganism, animal rights and women's rights get to overlap. The left in 2023 is a joke, pro-corporate, anti-women (not just misogynistic but active with it), homophobic & intolerant.
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Incredible, eh? And as if animals give a flying eff about human politics.
I don't think I ever "peaked" in the way that it's understood now. Working intensely with women having babies for over 40 years now, I've never doubted that we are binarily sexed species and that only one of the sexes (females) can do the major reproductive labour needed to produce new humans. For those who choose to believe otherwise, perhaps a visit to any fertility clinic or animal breeder in the world might prove educational. I assure you that these businesses are only using one combination of gametes to produce their products; there is no 'mix and match' option available. Pretending something is "real" doesn't make it so.
That's what I don't understand about women who've worked in women's health sectors, or still do - how can some of them buy into the gender ideology BS when they work with evidence to contrary every day?!
Well done Katrina. Like you this issue revived my somewhat dormant feminism, and actually opened my eyes wide to how misogyny never dies...... and never sleeps.
Men who advocate for men who say they’re women to be allowed to override women’s rights and wellbeing, are vicariously advocating that for themselves, should they desire it.
It's amazing how the word "bigot" has become so powerful. Back in 2019/10 Gordon Brown, then leader of the UK Labour Party and Prime Minister was overheard calling a woman he had just had a bruising exchange with about immigrants, a bigot, and he was criticised roundly by everyone. (He hadn't switched his microphone off after getting back in his car). And now it's used by TRAs and their allies with no criticism at all.
Yes, that and other words like ‘genocide’ are thrown around now like a lolly scramble.
(I meant 2009/10)
They have rendered the word virtually meaningless. However, when I really stopped to analyse the situation, it dawned on me that a great deal of what TRA's spend so much time screeching at the rest of us is in fact a projection of their own mindset. It is they who are bigoted - against anyone who refuses to get into lockstep with their entire agenda (or at least those who refuse to pretend). I have seldom encountered a group of people as intolerant and disrespectful.
You are absolutely right. Definition of a bigot: "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group." They are name-calling and figuratively pointing a finger at another person, which means they have three fingers pointing back at themselves.
Excellent commentary. Unless men stand shoulder to shoulder with us, I have nothing but scorn for them.inlike to hit them with the old #rhefergusonchallenge. You f' one then.
My sentiments, too!
i never peaked either. it's just such a pile of bullshit that i was automatically offended. i am aware most people i know are uninterested but that's how they are about about most things so i take that for granted. i have never needed people around me to think like me no matter how much i care about them. my feelings are my own. and i am beyond words about it. blown away actually. blown away. but still here!
Some people are independent thinkers and always have been. I have been swayed by others in the past, I admit, but on this I just get stronger as time goes by.
I love your sister's advice to you! It made me think about the fear that can surround speaking out and standing up for what we believe in. I recognise a lot of people have paid a heavy price when they have spoken out but a lot also say that, ultimately, it was good that it happened because it frees you to be "you".
I work in UK healthcare which is incredibly captured by gender ideology so I don't feel safe to speak out there but I'm hoping I can help in other ways and I've just joined my local Women's Rights Network.
Our public service institutions are also captured here, and I think that there are many in them, too, who don't go along with gender ideology, but have to stay quiet. There's always something you can do to push back against it, however small, as you are doing. As the saying goes - where there's a will, there's a way.
As a vegan (more or less) I'm getting sick of vegan 2023 version. Is there any nutrition in these copies of meat products? What's wrong with tempeh, seitan or tofu? Also far more chance that the till won't take any cash (we only take card the supercilious 22yo will tell you) than with your Indian down the road.
Are they government sponsored?
I would hazard a guess that convenience may account for a big part of using mock meats. Cooking takes time, both the prep (including shopping for the food) and the cleaning up afterwards the meal - and all after already working 8 hours, with travel time on top of that. Plus, unless we’ve been brought up as a vegan, there’s a whole new way to learn how to cook and make meals. For some people that will be an adventure, for others it will be a chore. I myself only use mock meats occasionally, and whilst I don’t condone regular use, I can understand it.
I have been travelling for a few months so my exposure has been rather high.
Travelling around New Zealand, or overseas?
Australia, England, Germany, Poland, Czech.
Australia is somewhat my second home at the moment. Poland has been that as well on occasion.
I wanted to get to the Netherlands but didn't manage to make it as Australian business needed attention. I also managed to luck out with the Cathay Pacific giveaway a few weeks ago so more traveling to come.
Sounds very stimulating and fascinating. You'll be having lots of interesting experiences with that, I'm sure :-)
I figure the fake meats I've been exposed to might be responsible for my cold as it's all about texture and nothing about nutrition. The cold is the worst I've had for 10 years or more and I lost my voice for 2/3 days. You don't see tofu, seitan or tempeh burgers anymore it's all pretend chicken or that bill gates invested fake meat. Same at the Chinese vegie places around the world.
I am unfamilar with this new use of the word “peaked”, in your title, and in comments below. Commenters are obviously familiar with it, so I have clearly missed something. I have thought about it for quite a while, but am still mystified. Can someone please explain?
The word ‘peaked’ is used when we have been aware of, and followed, the issues about trans ideology for a while, without fully committing to opposing it. Then something happens, and it’s like a lightbulb moment, or something inexcusable, and then we’re fully committed to opposing it. We refer to that moment as when we ‘peaked’.
So is it only used in relation to trans ideology? Not regarding an “enlightenment” or turning point regarding any other issue?
I'm sure it can be, and is, used in other regards, but using it in connection with trans ideology is the most common current usage for it in my awareness just now.
While a common experience with arrogant, misogynistic men, I’m not sure what vegan has to do with that this, nor the emphasis placed on it here.
Vegan is currently infected by woke.
The infection is rampant! There are still some un-woke vegans around, but they don't participate in groups anymore, as the groups now have woke contingents who come after any gender heretics like rabid dogs.